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Post by georgegr on Aug 12, 2023 21:22:39 GMT
So, friends some questions. after the dealer let me down with the KWC 75 TAC saying he does not have it in store i decided to go for one of the following -KWC 75 Competition -Tanfoglio Golden Custom (by cybergun i'm sure it's made by KWC)
I don't know which one i will find in stores here, all closed for summer holidays at the moment. Both guns look the same except color, grips shape AND a different magazine. The 75 has a 16 round mag while the Tanfoglio has a 22. Price 145 euros for the 75, 185 for the Custom After seeing a lot of videos and reading reviews i decided to take one of those.
So, my question is, will the different magazines make a difference in terms accuracy, function (jams etc), C02 consumption etc? Will there be a quality difference over all between the 2? From what i have seen same guns branded are 40 -50 euros more expensive than same non-branded but some times features are missing in the non branded.
Here the videos of my favorite Mr Andy's reviews of the 2
Sub Question: If i'm so lucky and don't find any of the 2 above, what's a good Single action Co2 BB pistol with:
-Short trigger pull
-Good accuracy (for a 4.5 BB of course)
-Blowback
-16+ shots drop mag
-Adjustable sights plus/or RDS mount
-At least a metal slide
around the same price tag?
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Post by twodoctors on Aug 13, 2023 0:08:57 GMT
My golly I had to mute the video for KWC 75... managed to see snippets of it.
Looks like the same gun to me, and I think AAR guy is again spurting out of his bottom hole as usual.
I managed to fit 18 rounds my the Tanfoglios. I take your word for it that he managed to put only 16 in there. KWC might have made a shorter follower to allow a higher BB capacity, but probably not 22 rounds (did he say 1 in the chamber to make it 22?)
You can image how much it would cost to redesign and make the tooling for what is essentially the same gun on a KWC branded one, and how little financial sense it makes to do that.
I would suggest you look for other "reviews" on the net before making a decision. AAR channel is made for "entertainment" and to promote his shop only. Just like any other airgun magazines, there are no bad airgun in this world.
Good luck!
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Post by georgegr on Aug 13, 2023 7:21:52 GMT
twodoctors thanks for the answer, was clear enough! About capacities KWC site says 18 (my mistake, messed up with the 75 TAC), Tanfoglio has no official info on the Cybergun catalog,i see different numbers on sellers sites (20-22) so since you have the gun, no more doubts there. I'll just grab whichever of the two i find (seller sites got all "in stock" until you order, then it's "we don't have it here, if the distributor has it, he will send it to us in a month or two), if not found i ll come back with my sub question. About AAR i just hope he is not cheating with the accuracy results, saw some other that were not so good, i just put the vid's as example to see the 2 guns. Good to be here and get some honest answers!
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Post by CaptDAR on Aug 13, 2023 7:54:14 GMT
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Post by CaptDAR on Aug 13, 2023 8:00:52 GMT
George what island is your home?
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Post by HeadHunter on Aug 13, 2023 9:40:23 GMT
A couple of things...
#1 - Most of us use AAR's video just to have a look at the replica (turn the sound down, you don't need it lol).
#2 - AAR's videos are neither impartial or independent, he's a vendor with a vested interest in sales and promoting his own family owned retail business. What little background he does have with airguns in general is mostly based on air rifles, he is just filling a gap in the market with replica airgun reviews with a view to possible sales and most of his 'interest' in replicas is just feigned for the viewing public.
#3 - The ASG CZ75 (Shadow I & II) are really good guns apparently judging by owner's comments on here and other forums, so they might be just what you are looking for.
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Post by georgegr on Aug 13, 2023 11:01:42 GMT
Saw that one too, read the topics about it in here, looks great, but unfortunately a bit too expensive for my budget here in greece. About its given speed, seems a bit low at 87 m/s, could that be an issue at 15-20 meters range? (newbie here, metal plates shooting, no precision targeting at those distances of course) I live in Thassos island btw
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Post by ifield on Aug 13, 2023 12:36:09 GMT
It's just an idea
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Post by twodoctors on Aug 13, 2023 14:18:40 GMT
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Post by georgegr on Aug 13, 2023 14:51:01 GMT
I already read those and yes the Tanfoglio's have just the specs i want. I shoot 6 and 8 inch plates at 10+ meters. I insist on steel BB's cause i get the clear sound of hitting the metal target, prefer to have more shots per load, and i hate loading pellets with my big fingers. Also i don't really trust the new belt loading pellet mags from Sig and Umarex, i read there's a lot of jamming there. With my Umarex H&K VP9 i hit the plates at 20 meters with a laser, but i cant see the dot in day light and the fixed iron sights are way off to compensate the targeting. Also it has a terribly long trigger and one wrong move while bringing the trigger to the "wall" point causes the gun to load a 2nd BB and jam. A vid just for demo
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Post by twodoctors on Aug 13, 2023 23:57:23 GMT
If you can find a Limited Custom it would be ideal. The Shadow 2 will probably be ok for a 8" plate. There are many decent replica semi auto pistol with fully adjustable rear sights around. Note that you can't fit the iron sight from a Limited to the Gold, but you can fit the bridge mount from the Gold to the Limited. From memory the cocking aid is transferable.
The trigger on the Shadow 2 would be much better for practical pistol. Of course that's assuming you can shoot that fast!
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Post by georgegr on Aug 14, 2023 17:51:16 GMT
i thought about the rail on the limited, they are still for sale.
Another replica detail i found. The KWC 75 competition is the replica of the CZ 75 Czechmate, vid of the actual race gun below. Man that huge compensator is really a bit too much...
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Post by Modski66 on Aug 14, 2023 22:05:16 GMT
i thought about the rail on the limited, they are still for sale. Another replica detail i found. The KWC 75 competition is the replica of the CZ 75 Czechmate, vid of the actual race gun below. Man that huge compensator is really a bit too much... He must be 'compensating' for some other shortcoming in his life... 🍆
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Post by TerribleTuco on Aug 15, 2023 19:24:27 GMT
Far be it from me to give "expert" advise, but IMHO, the CZ 75/Shadow 1/Shadow 2/ Gold Custom are among the most solid and well built replicas in my harem. Although the Tanfoglio is most accurate, it's a big heavy and long pistol, and fits nowhere as comfortable in hand as the Shadow 1/2. My quest for a Tanfoglio Limited proved fruitless, so when an opportunity arose for a second Gold Custom, had to have it. Took me 6 months before I found a spare mag for it however. The KWC Tac 75 mag I was able to come across fit perfectly. I believe this 22 round mag is universal to all these KWC built guns. As you can see, I mount a red dot whenever possible. The lower to center barrel axis, the better. A "bridge" works, as long as you stay within "site-in" range, due to its height. IMHO once again, some of the better triggers out there. All this coming from someone who doesn't compete, but appreciates the finer workmanship in these replicas as an avid collector. Link For Tanfoglio Mag: www.replicaairguns.us/kwc-tac-model-bb-pistol-magazine
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Post by CaptDAR on Aug 15, 2023 19:32:06 GMT
Czech that lot of fine weaponry out 😘
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