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Post by HeadHunter on Feb 24, 2022 16:40:17 GMT
Just had a 29 83/8 airsoft version delivered, finish is o.k but it’s a very slack cylinder with lots of movement compared to my 629. It locks up o.k, but not really acceptable to me, going back unfortunately. Both of my 29s were comparable (cylinder wise) to my 629s, it seems to me that they have a major QC problem with the 29s when compared to the 629s. What with stuck ejector rods, imperfections in the finish and slack cylinders they (Umarex/Wingun) need to up their game a bit and get these QC issues sorted prior to the product leaving the factory. On a separate note, my 29 has arrived back at the RFDs and is being forwarded onto to their supplier (guessing that'll be John Rothery) for inspection and replacement. Might get it back soon but then again, I might not ! The only thing that's keeping me buoyant at the moment is the fact that I got my replacement wood furniture for my Winchester today, if it weren't for that I think that I'd be losing my shit on the phone with Jethro at Braces of Bristol over consumer rights and my right to a refund or replacement, rather than having to wait for their supplier to deal with it. |
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Post by Doug Soal on Feb 24, 2022 16:40:39 GMT
I really don't know about this slack cylinder thing. Mine feels no more slacker than many of the revolvers I have had. And when loaded and cocked, it's tight as a nuns chuff. Are we expecting too much? Thankfully I also have no blemishes that my eyes can detect either.  With this one, you can rotate the cylinder by hand as they all do, but you can see the whole crane moving and gaping, much more slack than my 629. |
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Post by HeadHunter on Feb 24, 2022 16:41:56 GMT
I really don't know about this slack cylinder thing. Mine feels no more slacker than many of the revolvers I have had. And when loaded and cocked, it's tight as a nuns chuff. Are we expecting too much? Thankfully I also have no blemishes that my eyes can detect either. With this one, you can rotate the cylinder by hand as they all do, but you can see the whole crane moving and gaping, much more slack than my 629. That's not good Doug, not good at all buddy  |
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Post by CaptDAR on Feb 24, 2022 16:57:48 GMT
I know my 6.5” is AS but the crane on mine is tight and has no movement with cylinder in place either with shells loaded or empty.
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Post by Doug Soal on Feb 24, 2022 18:22:38 GMT
I know my 6.5” is AS but the crane on mine is tight and has no movement with cylinder in place either with shells loaded or empty. Obviously, unlike a real revolver the locking bolt doesn’t rise and lock the cylinder until the gun is cocked, so i presume that the cylinder on these is only held by the end of the ejector crane against the rear plate, so depending on how well that connection is will determine how tightly its hold. My 629 is pretty good, not 100% solid, but not bad, this 29 is very slack. You can determine how well it’s held by turning the cylinder by hand, and I think you will see movement of the crane as pictured.  |
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Post by Ade C on Feb 24, 2022 20:57:44 GMT
The only thing holding the front of the cylinder is the barrel forcing cone. It allows them to be made cheaply with very loose tolerances.
As mentioned, as long as it locks up when cocked it's not a problem.
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Post by Doug Soal on Feb 24, 2022 22:37:06 GMT
The only thing holding the front of the cylinder is the barrel forcing cone. It allows them to be made cheaply with very loose tolerances. As mentioned, as long as it locks up when cocked it's not a problem. Agreed they still work well when cocked, but have handled a few of these now and some are o.k and some rattle horribly with a lot of cylinder wobble, suppose it’s a case of what your prepared to accept. |
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Post by HeadHunter on Feb 25, 2022 7:14:04 GMT
The only thing holding the front of the cylinder is the barrel forcing cone. It allows them to be made cheaply with very loose tolerances. As mentioned, as long as it locks up when cocked it's not a problem. Agreed they still work well when cocked, but have handled a few of these now and some are o.k and some rattle horribly with a lot of cylinder wobble, suppose it’s a case of what your prepared to accept. I just think that its peculiar how both of my 629s are absolutely 'spot on' yet both of my 29s had problems, one I fixed (a stuck ejector rod) and the other (a hideous finish on the cylinder) has now gone back to be replaced. What with all that and the fact that the pellet version has a non full length rifled inner barrel is a bit disconcerting, for guns that are retailing at around the £200 mark I would like to have seen far better QC levels and a fully rifled inner barrel. It seems to me that Umarex (and/or Wingun) have cut far too many corners in an attempt to make as much money as they possibly can on a new line of replica guns that they knew would be very popular with collectors worldwide. As for the loose cylinders, both of mine had a very small amount of play in them and locked up lovely and tight when cocked so I honestly can't comment on that but from my experience so far I don't doubt that these comments are statements of fact, rather than nit-picking away at minor faults. If my present run of luck continues the way it's already going then my replacement 6½" will probably have a loose cylinder too. |
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Post by Doug Soal on Feb 25, 2022 9:11:55 GMT
I should be seeing another 29 later today, this being a smoothbore.177 version, if this one is the same as the airsoft version I saw yesterday I will give up on the idea and just stick with the 629.
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Post by nikvanorton on Feb 25, 2022 10:48:49 GMT
Well after a few days consideration, mine is on it's way back to Pellpax. As much as I like the gun, I can't live with the poor design of the cylinder lock-up. As Ade C pointed out, the front is only located by the barrel cone so it's always going to be a problem. I did think about putting a small magnet in the back of the crane arm just below the cylinder pivot and milling a shallow indent into the main chassis of the pistol behind the crane arm for a small steel disc so that the front locks up when closed, but decided against it. Years ago I had a CP88 Competition which I regrettably sold - I've just bought another one which will be paid for by the proceeds of the returned M29. Despite the fact that It' a 'revolvermatic'  , the quality is rock solid so I'm pretty happy now! |
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Post by Modski66 on Feb 25, 2022 11:52:00 GMT
I am planning on de-chroming the ejector rod using my lathe and some emery paper prior to blueing it. As part of this I might machine a dimple on the end to give a bit more location at the front, not that it is bad on mine anyway. I have noticed that the sprung loaded plunger under the barrel only just touches the end of the rod, so can't be doing much anyway! So that will get some attention too...
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Post by talyllyn on Feb 25, 2022 12:04:21 GMT
These are beginning to sound as though they are as disappointing as the Rhinos!
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Post by Doug Soal on Feb 25, 2022 12:13:09 GMT
These are beginning to sound as though they are as disappointing as the Rhinos! Certainly seems to be more problems than the 629 which is confusing |
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Post by Modski66 on Feb 25, 2022 12:31:52 GMT
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Post by Doug Soal on Feb 25, 2022 12:40:48 GMT
Well pleased to say that Dan at Crawley Surplus sent one round to show me in .177 smoothbore and it’s fine, tight lock up and nice finish, so I brought it. 😁
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, the quality is rock solid so I'm pretty happy now!
