Doyley83
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Post by Doyley83 on May 24, 2023 17:56:38 GMT
Good evening fellow replica enthusiasts! You may have seen a while back that there were some 'spares or repair' DPMS magazines that were going cheap on eBay. HeadHunter had a couple of them and they turned out to be fairly easy repairs. At that point I decided to take the plunge and get the other pair. It seems my pair are not so simple to repair, with air leaking from the second CO2 port when loading a capsule into the correct 'insert first' port. The first mag loses air quite gently from the 2nd port, the second magazine really goes for it. I've completely disassembled the bottom half of the magazines and removed the gubbins from the second CO2 port housing. These are the components inside and the mechanism to pressure only one side and allow a 2nd piercing on the other - It seems to be based on a ball bearing with what feels like a hard plastic (blue) seal that controls that inter-chamber gas mechanism. That BB is housed in a recess inside the magazine itself. Followed by a thin metal gauze filter (which isn't present on the other magazine I have been testing with so suspect this has been apart before), piercing piece then seal. There are no replacements that I have found for the blue seal/BB or piercing part and filter, only the green seal which I have replaced and get the same result - air leaking the same way. If I load an empty CO2 into the other chamber - no leak, so there is always potential to use with just one CO2, or be johnny on the spot with tightening up a 2nd. Frustrating one - anyone here got any other ideas?
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Post by HeadHunter on May 24, 2023 19:45:51 GMT
I've not had one apart before but I would guess that there would have been a small spring that pushes on that ball bearing to keep it in the closed position otherwise CO2 from the first capsule would bypass it if it wasn't in place properly to begin with. If it had been taken apart before hand and the idiot had lost the spring then it's never going to work, unless you replace the spring yourself with a suitable alternative.
I can't see how the 'shut off valve' (aka the ball bearing) will work without some form of tension to keep it in place, once you connect a CO2 capsule to that inlet (CO2 capsule position two/second) the CO2 pressure will eventually push the BB out of the way once the pressure has reduced enough from the other inlet (CO2 capsule position one/first).
This guy made a video on the magazine, even he thinks that there's a spring loaded check valve inside of it but does make a useful suggestion about seating the looking ring into the magazine, too far and it locks the port out and not enough and it dumps the gas, go to around the 15:40 mark for his explanation buddy.
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Post by HeadHunter on May 24, 2023 20:04:16 GMT
He actually did a follow on video (that I hadn't watched before) and he's taken the second port apart and there isn't a spring (which is good news) so everything is there buddy. Go to the 24:10 mark on the following video...
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Doyley83
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Post by Doyley83 on Jun 6, 2023 18:16:46 GMT
Left this one alone for a couple of weeks whilst I've been working on other bits and pieces around the house. HeadHunter thanks for the video's but these were the ones I used to take the magazine apart so had seen them both before disassembly. I am convinced the issue is the BB/blue seal as if an empty CO2 is loaded then no leaks at all, and the magazine functions correctly. This leads me to believe the air is escaping through the piercing nozzle and not from around the bulb which I believe means the green seal is probably all good. I've rebuild them both now and shelved this for now, haven't got the time or the patience for it at the moment. I'll either use them as single CO2 magazines and leave empties in slot 2 or move them on as spares or repair.
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