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Post by HeadHunter on Apr 17, 2023 16:00:41 GMT
Not good news, not good news at all ! I do have a possible solution though, bear with the overly long description but it may well help. 1911s have a connecting bar that connects the trigger to the hammer (via two sets of sears) and the safety block enacts on this connector bar. If the safety has got an overly excessive untrimmed flashing on it, as you activate the safety to block the connector from moving it'll push it slightly so that it will cause the hammer sears to go into a 'hair trigger' state. The obvious cure for this is to remove and check the safety for such 'excessive' flashing. The three fingered spring that sits in the backstrap needs to be checked too, as this is there just to prevent such a thing from happening in the first place, my guess is that one or two of the fingers on the spring needs to be pushed forward slightly so that it has proper engagement on to the connector bar and trigger to give a more positive reset. The above options are obviously time consuming but are cost free options prior to moving the gun on at a possible loss to yourself. I personally would bet money on it being excessive flash on the safety that's causing the 'hair trigger when taken off safety' problem and that's something that it would have come from the factory like rather than a past user error, but that still does not let him (the seller) off the hook as it would have been just as faulty prior to the sale. The other possibility is that he (the seller) had tried using those God awful frangible BBs in it and part of one (or more) is now lodged within the lock work and interfering with the action, in which case it'll just need a full strip down and clean, again time consuming but another cost free option. Me ? I'd strip it down, clean, visually inspect the sears, lubricate and reassemble......but then again I love rolling my sleeves up and getting stuck into some serious pistol smithing, okay tinkering, lol. Thanks for that Shaun. I think that I can get my 74 year old head around what your saying! Could you expand a bit by what you refer to as "excessive untrimmed flashing" please? Can't help it, but what immediately sprung to mind was a furtive, uncircumcised character, opening his raincoat to unsuspecting females......! Do hope that you'll excuse this weak attempt at humour, as after all, I have had a rather miserable week-end! That did make me lol I should have given a bit more detail, the safety part is a diecast piece (just like the rest of it really) and sometimes the casting burrs can be missed by the QC dept. (if indeed KWC have such a thing, lol), then it's fitted by an idiot on an assembly line (must be the same idiot that keeps forgetting to put the toppings on my frozen pizza), but in truth it wouldn't fail a dry test fire as it doesn't effect the action enough in a normal situation to be noticed.
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Post by Modski66 on Apr 21, 2023 8:49:54 GMT
guitarman - have you had any joy with the Witness?
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Post by guitarman on Apr 21, 2023 9:14:12 GMT
TBH....haven't really decided how to proceed yet, as I've been helping my wife get the garden into shape for the summer (!) and other sundry household chores. I've got 3 options open to me :
!. Sell it on as is : Nr. mint, boxed for 'sales-or-repair,' describing the issues. 2. Pluck up the courage to delve into its innards and see if I can spot and rectify the cause of the trigger/hammer/safety issues. 3. Just keep it on a just-in-case basis for spares.
On the plus side and whichever route I decide to pursue, at least I now have an additional magazine for my original TFW 1911.
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Post by bb1975 on Apr 21, 2023 14:10:03 GMT
Funnily enough I had almost the same situation with a 1911 (I think a Swiss arms variant), with a similar outcome. I ended up selling it as spares without the magazine.
I do think that sometimes that they could get battered about in transit enough to displace some of the internals. It's one of the reasons that any gun I've posted has been wrapped excessively in bubble wrap, foam and shrink wrap, I don;'t want anyone receiving a damaged gun and thinking I'd done it purposely.
In terms of your gun though, what about stripping it down for the polishing job Shaun suggested? And then even if you can't get it working properly, you'll at least have a very pretty paperweight/wallhanger.
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Post by guitarman on Apr 22, 2023 8:18:40 GMT
It actually came with two magazines, the original and an aftermarket spare! I might very well follow Shaun's recommendation and aided by his strip-down video, have a look around inside it and see if I can effect a solution. Personally, when things like this happen and with emotions running high (!) when I 'jump in' straight away, the outcome is often not the best. Last weekend, when I received the pistol and discovered its faults, I was quite p**ed off and the lengthy, subsequent messaging between myself and the seller, did little to lessen this. However, now that a week has gone by, in the general scheme of things, an £80 pistol (part-refunded) turning out to be faulty, isn't that earth-shattering really. With all that's going on around us these days, you have to get things into perspective don't you? Don't mean to sound philosophical here, but I hope you get my drift.....?
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Post by bb1975 on Apr 22, 2023 8:42:18 GMT
Totally know what you mean, the excitement of a new gun along with the joy of a bargain gets you all giddy and then you get brought crashing down when it dumps all the co2/fails to fire/jams after the first shot.
I bought a Walther Winchester in black and only got chance to load up and shoot it weeks later. And it just dumps the co2. Don't get me wrong I was royally pee'd off but considering some of the other stuff going on had to concede that my troubles with it didn't really amount to much.
No idea if the seller knew it was faulty, but I'd spoken to him on the phone, he'd sent photos of his license with his address and was in his early 80's I decided it wasn't worth arguing over.
God knows if I'll ever get it to work, but if not, it might be stripped for spares, stuck on a wall or sold on as faulty.
Good luck with your pistol and keep us posted.
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Post by gunman1964 on Apr 22, 2023 8:59:15 GMT
Funnily enough I had almost the same situation with a 1911 (I think a Swiss arms variant), with a similar outcome. I ended up selling it as spares without the magazine. I do think that sometimes that they could get battered about in transit enough to displace some of the internals. It's one of the reasons that any gun I've posted has been wrapped excessively in bubble wrap, foam and shrink wrap, I don;'t want anyone receiving a damaged gun and thinking I'd done it purposely. In terms of your gun though, what about stripping it down for the polishing job Shaun suggested? And then even if you can't get it working properly, you'll at least have a very pretty paperweight/wallhanger. Yeah ... post office dont care how much they throw things about .... Ive been lucky so far .... more of a case of a few things not turning up at all than damaged
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Post by gunman1964 on Apr 22, 2023 9:02:35 GMT
TBH....haven't really decided how to proceed yet, as I've been helping my wife get the garden into shape for the summer (!) and other sundry household chores. I've got 3 options open to me : !. Sell it on as is : Nr. mint, boxed for 'sales-or-repair,' describing the issues. 2. Pluck up the courage to delve into its innards and see if I can spot and rectify the cause of the trigger/hammer/safety issues. 3. Just keep it on a just-in-case basis for spares. On the plus side and whichever route I decide to pursue, at least I now have an additional magazine for my original TFW 1911. I would be happy to have a look at it for you if you like and are willing to pay postage... i have a tangfolio witness and a KWC derived Remington 1911 both of wich are great ... it would be a shame to relegate yours to a wall hanger or parts bin as it maybe something simple to fix. pm me if your interested
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Post by guitarman on Apr 22, 2023 9:17:41 GMT
That is really generous of you! When I've pondered sufficiently on the way forward, I may well be in touch to take you up on that kind offer. Doesn't this forum have some knowledgeable and helpful members!
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Post by gunman1964 on Apr 22, 2023 9:22:31 GMT
Its a great forum ... look forward to hearing from you ..
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Post by guitarman on Apr 22, 2023 9:39:38 GMT
Funnily enough I had almost the same situation with a 1911 (I think a Swiss arms variant), with a similar outcome. I ended up selling it as spares without the magazine. I do think that sometimes that they could get battered about in transit enough to displace some of the internals. It's one of the reasons that any gun I've posted has been wrapped excessively in bubble wrap, foam and shrink wrap, I don;'t want anyone receiving a damaged gun and thinking I'd done it purposely. In terms of your gun though, what about stripping it down for the polishing job Shaun suggested? And then even if you can't get it working properly, you'll at least have a very pretty paperweight/wallhanger. Yeah ... post office dont care how much they throw things about .... Ive been lucky so far .... more of a case of a few things not turning up at all than damaged I've only ever had one thing damaged in transit and that was by a carrier that wasn't Royal Mail/Parcel Force. It was the mid. 1990's (when I still had some money!) and the item in question was a £1,000 Fender USA Vintage Re-Issue Stratocaster guitar. It arrived in the sturdy, cardboard, shipping box which had travelled from the west coast of America to these shores and a UK music shop without mishap..... However, one look at the 2 large, fresh, dirty boot-prints on the, 'This Way UP' / 'Fragile' top surface, alerted me as to what I might well discover inside. Fortunately, these USA made guitars, come in a decent, wooden case and the diligent individual who'd used the box as a platform to stand on, only did any real damage to that case, with but a tiny 'ding' to the neck of the guitar that was inside it. As you might guess, there followed protracted conversations with customer services (!) at the carrier's, who initially disputed my claim ("Why would one of our people stand on a box marked 'Fragile'?") about the boot-prints and actually sent an agent around to my home in order to verify my outlandish accusation. I eventually received £100 compensation which enabled me to replace the guitar case. I just had to live with that small indentation on the neck.
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Post by HeadHunter on Apr 22, 2023 10:48:22 GMT
I don't mind buying a faulty gun that's labelled as 'faulty' to begin with but as for buying a working gun to find out that it is faulty is a different 'kettle of fish'.
For me (and I know it's not the same for other members) Pistol Smithing is all part of the fun of the hobby, I enjoy stripping them down and 'tinkering' with them as much as I do shooting the darned things, lol.
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Post by gunman1964 on Apr 22, 2023 13:46:34 GMT
That is really generous of you! When I've pondered sufficiently on the way forward, I may well be in touch to take you up on that kind offer. Doesn't this forum have some knowledgeable and helpful members! if you want the slide and ejection port polished i can do that for you too ... i have polished a few of my replicas and i think they look great .. but thats just my opinion lol
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