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Post by Modski66 on Nov 7, 2022 15:47:22 GMT
I am not suggesting that replica style guns have a place on the forum, it was more my pedantry about what constitutes replica style. Things without any real-world branding such as the C15, PT85 the Umarex SA9 & SA10 etc are definitely in the replicas style camp, but there are various guns out there that are near perfect replicas in all but name made by KWC etc. However, branding is no guide; I have a "Ruger Mk1" that bears no resemblance to anything made by Ruger - it is a spring air pistol made by SMK and will never make an appearance on the RAF, and what about the S&W 78/79G? Made by S&W to look a bit like the Model 41, but as a single-shot pistol with quite a number of features that differ from it, is it a replica? I do struggle with the generic Wingun revolvers because they have been branded everything from Borner, Crosman, Dan Wesson, Gamo, Ruger, Umarex, and probably quite a few others. They have all the details and visual cues of real-world revolvers, but aren't true replicas of anything, whereas the DW 715's are 99% nob-on replicas, branding is right, grips etc, etc. The same could be said for the Webley MKVI, Sig P365, various Glocks, 1911's and SAA's. But just going back to the C15 one more time, it has all the visual details etc of real-world guns, I was just wondering where Gamo had pinched those details from, a bit like the SA10 having details taken from Salient Arms products. Anyway, I am off to stand in a corner and hang my head in shame, keeping my little weapon tucked well out of sight in case it might offend any forum members...
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Post by twodoctors on Nov 7, 2022 16:10:40 GMT
Endorsed by Doug Koening (whoever he is). I'm sold... ...until I saw this. Straight to the bin! 😂
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Gamo C15
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Post by CaptDAR on Nov 7, 2022 16:39:24 GMT
It has a “resemblance” to the Turkish Sarsilmaz range of pistols, SAR9G2 and 10. I used to shoot a SAR9 9mm a lot at one of the clubs I frequented in Houston. A ‘budget’ pistol but very well made, solid and accurate.
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Post by HeadHunter on Nov 7, 2022 16:40:13 GMT
You don't have to sit in the corner ashamed of your little weapon, lol. I totally understand what you are saying (or even asking) as it's a very thin line between an airgun and an airgun replica. I had to draw the line somewhere when I was formulating the guidelines (and subsequent rules) for this forum, I ultimately decided to go for a rather 'niche' dedicated replica airgun only forum. There will always be those airguns that don't fall readily into the replica category as they have no obvious real steel counterparts and as such can only be classified as an 'airgun' rather than a 'replica airgun', then again we have the non-branded (with no trades) replicas, which (to my mind at least) are still replicas but lack that certain 'something' when it comes to realism. This, as I have stated before, is something that is up for discussion on this forum but I will say that if the Gamo C15 had 'Beretta' trades on it doesn't make it a Beretta, in much the same way that the 1st gen DW's are not Dan Wesson just because it's printed on it ! Branding and trades don't make a replica they ultimately just add to it in a 'quality of replica' way. Not all replicas are of the same level of quality, realism or even function when compared to their respective RS counterparts or even other replicas, like you stated there are replicas like the DW715, S&W29, S&W629, Remington 1875, Webley mkVI ( et al) which are simply superb in terms of realism, function and attention to detail and yet there are others that fail in these same areas but are nonetheless still replicas (eg. like the Umarex non blowback plastic Browning Hi-power). I'm not trying to alienate members or belittle their choices in what replicas they've collected, I'm just trying to set a threshold for what type of airgun can be discussed openly on this Replica Airgun Forum. My own thoughts on what actually constitutes a good replica airgun are pretty much well known on this forum, I don't hide my thoughts and I certainly don't expect others to hide theirs either. Most of the forum rules are quite flexible but the only one set in stone is that this forum is dedicated to Replica airguns, irrespective of the type of propellant (CO2, green gas or spring), the size of the projectile (.177, .22, 6mm, .50, .68, etc.) or even non-firing replicas (at a push, lol). As long as it's a replica of a real steel firearm it's included within the remit of this forum, anything else is just 'meh' and I'm not interested in it. As for the S&W model 78 & 79, as far as I'm concerned they're a replica of the S&W model 41 so they should be included on this forum, in fact it's one that I'd like to add to my collection anyway ! As far as I know (or am aware) S&W never intended the 78s & 79s to be stand alone models but rather associate models to the 41 to enable owners to practise sight and target alignment, steady aim and trigger pull in the safety of their garden or basement in the off season and as such they were based very closely on their model 41, okay maybe not exact copies of the super sportsman model 41 specials but definitely close to the original standard model 41's.
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Post by HeadHunter on Nov 7, 2022 16:44:39 GMT
It has a “resemblance” to the Turkish Sarsilmaz range of pistols, SAR9G2 and 10. I used to shoot a SAR9 9mm a lot at one of the clubs I frequented in Houston. A ‘budget’ pistol but very well made, solid and accurate. Aren't the SAR9 a striker fire pistol though ?
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Post by CaptDAR on Nov 7, 2022 16:54:17 GMT
Yes it is. I think I have my numbers mixed up with the Gen2 which if I’m correct is a hammered CM variant. This was my club gun. cute baby boy names 201
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Post by Modski66 on Nov 7, 2022 17:06:54 GMT
Endorsed by Doug Koening (whoever he is). I'm sold... Didn't his uncle used to run Moonbase Alpha? ...until I saw this. Straight to the bin! 😂 That and every other piece of carp that he has warmly endorsed.
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Post by Modski66 on Nov 7, 2022 23:10:54 GMT
The "Sig Sauer P226" (aka C15 😉) arrived today, first job was to strip it down, something not quite right with the alignment of the grip outer and the metal inner, making the magazine tricky to extract. Also, every surface inside has some sort of sticky, gummy residue, including the inside of the valve. 🤢 Blowback buffer is partially broken with one spring missing, barrel bore is also worn or corroded for the last couple of inches, maybe seen a lot of bb action? After a quick de-grease, lubrication and re-assemble, co2 holds perfectly and both ends of the magazine function without fault. It has quite a firm kick to it, the slide is surprisingly heavy for such a small pistol.
Anyway that's enough of that, all of the above can be read across to many of these blowback, revolvermatic pellet pistols, as the internals are all a variation of the same basic design.
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Post by Landyman on Nov 8, 2022 10:06:10 GMT
I found the magazine in mine was tricky to eject sometimes too. Check the mag eject slide/spring isn't slightly bent/over lubed. 😉
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Post by Modski66 on Nov 8, 2022 10:40:32 GMT
The magazine ejector is fine, it just looks like it needs some other parts to keep the plastic grip outer in line with the alloy inner that houses the co2. It soon became obvious that it had been taken apart previously, so maybe there are more parts missing than the back strap and grip base. Finding a solution will be all part of the fun!
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Post by Landyman on Nov 8, 2022 13:22:59 GMT
As far as I remember, it's literally just the moulding of the bottom half of the plastic frame that holds the metal inner section away from the front strap. There was nothing more technical in mine.
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