Post by twodoctors on Sept 2, 2021 21:50:07 GMT
This is an old gun which I think I bought back in 2016-ish. Bought it pre-loved, and still don't know why I wanted one (apart from it being a cool gun in my books). Large calibre (in real life), a mean motherfooker.
Then I moved on to rimfire, and soon lost interest in air guns. Long term loan to my brother down in London, who is not that into shooting anyway (but is also a fellow hoarder).
Got back into air guns because of Covid, and remembered this monster (as well as the CP1, but that's off topic here). Got it back from him at the first opportunity, and here we are:
Now I haven't handled a real one before, but I'm sure they are not polymer in real life. This is mostly polymer, but still quite weighty for an air pistol.
Unfortunately it is a disguised mini-revolver. Using the standard Umarex rotary mag. Like the other "4 kings" the slide move forward to reveal the chamber for the mag.
And the slide moves backward like the real pistol, although not the full distance like you would expect for the real thing. I mean, you can't eject a 50AE case in that space...
The other thing to say is the slide is polymer, like most parts of the gun as mentioned before. And because of that, the blowback is never going to feel heavy because of the lack of weight.
Most of the buttons and levers on the gun is for decoration only. The only moving parts are the level for slide open, and the safety switch on the slide.
I did mention this is a blowback gun. The slide as I said offers little simulated recoil, but it does cock the hammer back after each shot, allowing for SA / semi-auto mode.
Now this is mostly me rather than the gun. This pistol is big, and I mean really big. I can honestly say I won't be able to handle a 50AE version in real life. And this is why.
(Teaching most of you to suck eggs here, but might be beneficial to some) The proper way to hold a (real) pistol is to tuck the web of between the thumb and index finger as high on the heel as possible, and hold it so that the force of recoil will be channel into the arm. Very important with higher power pistol like this, otherwise the recoil from the round will kick the pistol back into the shooter's face.
And if I do that...
Yes, I have stubby fingers, and I can fit into a small washing up gloves snugly. Not going to be Liberace either. Can't each reach the face of the trigger shoe. 🤦🏻♂️
The other side look even worse!
Never going to be able to shoot it one-handed, especially the real thing!
But we are in the air gun world now. Recoil is non-existence here. So I, like a lot of people out there, will just fit the hand to the gun.
And those of you who have shot a real pistol before, will know that it's a terrible grip. I will never be able to get a follow-up shot, or do any speed shooting with that. And the chances are I'll get hit in the face after the first shot.
It's just too big for me. And that's why manufacturers makes guns of different sizes. Not just for concealment, but also to fit the shooter's hands better.
Enough of that. Let's carry on with a walkaround.
It's the old school screw on CO2 locking, which I personally prefer. Full piercing every time. Much better than the lever system seen in the "4 kings".
Picatinny rail and adjustable rear sights for windage.
And some screw holes on the bottom for I'm guessing attaching a A bridge or similar picatinny rail.
Recessed barrel. I didn't measure the diameter of the hole, but I suspect it will be close to 0.50".
Trigger? As a target shooter, it's not amazing. As a plinker, yeah it's alright, if you have massive hands!
In double action, it's around 7 to 8lbs, depending which part of the trigger shoe you pull it from. Long finger? You can position it lower for more leverage....
In single action, it's an acceptable 4.5lb. Not the lightest by any means. The initial slack is to index the rotary magazine, then it is a "fairly heavy" break.
Here it is in Double Action:
Double Action
And in Single Action:
Single Action
And accuracy?
It's ok. Not going to win the forum comp with it, but it's going to be tin-can accurate upto 10m or more.
Here are my first 3 attempts. 5m Rested. Excite Econ 2. 8 shots per card. Just look at the grouping and not the score. I was trying to zero it after each card, so you might see a shift towards the middle in later cards.
It is a respectable size grouping, if you ignore one or two shooter error. I have not shot properly for a fair while now...
And the last 2 cards in weaver, 5m. You can see a slight drop in POI in these ones. It could be me pulling that 4.5lb trigger, but I think it is the CO2 starting to fade by shot 33.
[EDIT] Just to add that it is a very loud pistol. Gives a proper bang each shot. Shot count wise for target work I reckon about 4 mags-ish as above. You really lose the "recoil" by the 5th mag, and the last shot of the 6th mag was quite a feeble round. I should say about 40 good shots with it.
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Final thoughts?
Well, I personally won't chase one down at silly price. I don't think it's worth £160 that it was sold for recently. I think at most I would pay perhaps £100-120 for one. It's not a target shooter's gun. It's more for "the collection", but some of you would remember David has one in AS, which looks much more amazing and functions like the real McCoy. Get that instead. Leave these for the "speculators" who thinks this might just increase in value over time. I doubt it will, not after this review! (unless one has Marfan syndrome or acromegaly, gigantism etc...)
Then I moved on to rimfire, and soon lost interest in air guns. Long term loan to my brother down in London, who is not that into shooting anyway (but is also a fellow hoarder).
Got back into air guns because of Covid, and remembered this monster (as well as the CP1, but that's off topic here). Got it back from him at the first opportunity, and here we are:
Now I haven't handled a real one before, but I'm sure they are not polymer in real life. This is mostly polymer, but still quite weighty for an air pistol.
Unfortunately it is a disguised mini-revolver. Using the standard Umarex rotary mag. Like the other "4 kings" the slide move forward to reveal the chamber for the mag.
And the slide moves backward like the real pistol, although not the full distance like you would expect for the real thing. I mean, you can't eject a 50AE case in that space...
The other thing to say is the slide is polymer, like most parts of the gun as mentioned before. And because of that, the blowback is never going to feel heavy because of the lack of weight.
Most of the buttons and levers on the gun is for decoration only. The only moving parts are the level for slide open, and the safety switch on the slide.
I did mention this is a blowback gun. The slide as I said offers little simulated recoil, but it does cock the hammer back after each shot, allowing for SA / semi-auto mode.
Now this is mostly me rather than the gun. This pistol is big, and I mean really big. I can honestly say I won't be able to handle a 50AE version in real life. And this is why.
(Teaching most of you to suck eggs here, but might be beneficial to some) The proper way to hold a (real) pistol is to tuck the web of between the thumb and index finger as high on the heel as possible, and hold it so that the force of recoil will be channel into the arm. Very important with higher power pistol like this, otherwise the recoil from the round will kick the pistol back into the shooter's face.
And if I do that...
Yes, I have stubby fingers, and I can fit into a small washing up gloves snugly. Not going to be Liberace either. Can't each reach the face of the trigger shoe. 🤦🏻♂️
The other side look even worse!
Never going to be able to shoot it one-handed, especially the real thing!
But we are in the air gun world now. Recoil is non-existence here. So I, like a lot of people out there, will just fit the hand to the gun.
And those of you who have shot a real pistol before, will know that it's a terrible grip. I will never be able to get a follow-up shot, or do any speed shooting with that. And the chances are I'll get hit in the face after the first shot.
It's just too big for me. And that's why manufacturers makes guns of different sizes. Not just for concealment, but also to fit the shooter's hands better.
Enough of that. Let's carry on with a walkaround.
It's the old school screw on CO2 locking, which I personally prefer. Full piercing every time. Much better than the lever system seen in the "4 kings".
Picatinny rail and adjustable rear sights for windage.
And some screw holes on the bottom for I'm guessing attaching a A bridge or similar picatinny rail.
Recessed barrel. I didn't measure the diameter of the hole, but I suspect it will be close to 0.50".
Trigger? As a target shooter, it's not amazing. As a plinker, yeah it's alright, if you have massive hands!
In double action, it's around 7 to 8lbs, depending which part of the trigger shoe you pull it from. Long finger? You can position it lower for more leverage....
In single action, it's an acceptable 4.5lb. Not the lightest by any means. The initial slack is to index the rotary magazine, then it is a "fairly heavy" break.
Here it is in Double Action:
Double Action
And in Single Action:
Single Action
And accuracy?
It's ok. Not going to win the forum comp with it, but it's going to be tin-can accurate upto 10m or more.
Here are my first 3 attempts. 5m Rested. Excite Econ 2. 8 shots per card. Just look at the grouping and not the score. I was trying to zero it after each card, so you might see a shift towards the middle in later cards.
It is a respectable size grouping, if you ignore one or two shooter error. I have not shot properly for a fair while now...
And the last 2 cards in weaver, 5m. You can see a slight drop in POI in these ones. It could be me pulling that 4.5lb trigger, but I think it is the CO2 starting to fade by shot 33.
[EDIT] Just to add that it is a very loud pistol. Gives a proper bang each shot. Shot count wise for target work I reckon about 4 mags-ish as above. You really lose the "recoil" by the 5th mag, and the last shot of the 6th mag was quite a feeble round. I should say about 40 good shots with it.
[/EDIT]
Final thoughts?
Well, I personally won't chase one down at silly price. I don't think it's worth £160 that it was sold for recently. I think at most I would pay perhaps £100-120 for one. It's not a target shooter's gun. It's more for "the collection", but some of you would remember David has one in AS, which looks much more amazing and functions like the real McCoy. Get that instead. Leave these for the "speculators" who thinks this might just increase in value over time. I doubt it will, not after this review! (unless one has Marfan syndrome or acromegaly, gigantism etc...)
