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Post by twodoctors on Aug 2, 2021 22:58:55 GMT
You might want to read this review as well, as I won't be covering that much tech stuff here. These are essentially the same gun. co2-handguns.freeforums.net/thread/413/tanfoglio-gold-custom-reviewSo this was an opportunistic buy for me. You have seen me post so many stuff on Bargain Section without buying any of them, until this one came along. Yes I have been looking for a "proper replica for target shooter" and this is probably one (of the few) that fits the bill. As a target shooter, who is recently discovered the joy of iron-sight shooting, I have been looking for a blowback replica that has fully adjustable rear sights, that is also a modern gun. Yes, the Broomhandle and P08 both have adjustable sights for elevation, but not windage. I also couldn't get on with anything other than the modern square notch sights. I was keen on a 1911 but that has a fixed sights. So does Glock 17 Gen 4 which allegedly all shoots low. I don't think the S&W M&P has one either. I think, and I'm sure someone else will be along to correct me shortly, that this is the only one with full size mag, blowback, fully adjustable iron sight, modern pistol on the market. Tanfoglio are based on the CZ-75, which apparently is a very good real pistols, though I have not shot one before. This one feels very weighty, just like the Gold Custom that I already have.   Same gun, just without the rail, slide handle but with the iron sight. As they are the same gun, one can also interchange the parts between them. I have had a quick go but it still looks better in original colour. Mine was "broken" with it came. After the first shot, it was loading and firing 2 BBs at a time. I could no work out why as everything was otherwise working. Swapping magazines didn't help either so it must have been the slide. Eventually found time to take the slide off and put a bit of lube on it. Everything's better with a bit of lube (or so I was told 😉). A quick cheeky 5 shots at 10pm was good. No double feed so far. And because of the above, I have not had a chance to do a proper accuracy test on it yet. I suspect it won't be any worse than the Gold Custom, if I do my bit. So let's stick with a few more photos for now.   Nice view of the breech with slide lock back.  The adjustable sight.  Slide off for quick maintenance.  I paid £85 posted for it. I can't say it's a bargain. I think brand new when it was out is around that price, but they don't come up for sale much. Is this better than the 1911? I'll ask Mark Modski66 when I next see him. For me, if it groups as well as the Gold Custom I will be most pleased. |
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Post by HeadHunter on Aug 3, 2021 8:39:11 GMT
Nice little write up Adrian, I'm so glad that you got the 'double feed' issue all sorted now, it's amazing what a little lube will do !
As a modern target pistol replica I don't think that the Tanfoglio Limited Custom can be beaten in the 4.5mm stakes, it's got a lot going for it. I must admit to being quite drawn to them over the years but have always held off getting one (or two, lol) of them as I'm more into replica firearms of the standard fayre rather than competition pistols, mainly as I don't do competitive pistol shooting (unlike your good self).
In all the reviews that I've ever seen on one it's never had a bad representation, one reviewer even mentioned the larger CO2 expansion tank in the magazine contributing to it's higher than standard power level and consistency of accuracy, which is what you really want with a fully functional target pistol replica.
I'm looking forward to seeing some of the results in the friendly forum shooting competition, it'll be interesting to see how she fairs up against other replicas, especially the Schofield, which most of the members have in their collection.
On the subject of adjustable sights, my Luger P08 hasn't got adjustable rear sights, maybe yours is different ? Unless of course you count the toggle arm going up and down as adjustable, lol. But I don't know of many autos that do have adjustable rear sights, even in the world of real steel it seems that the 'match' grade pistols come with adjustable rear sights. Typically, the front sights are 'drift tool adjusted' for windage on most autos (Glocks, 1911s, USPs, S&W M&Ps, etc.), in fact even most (if not all) short barrelled revolvers (snubbies, etc.) have fixed sights too, it seems that it's only when you get to 4" and longer barrels that having an adjustable rear sight seems to be 'de rigueur' on real steel revolvers.
I often feel that the 'art of marksmanship' is compensating for the inadequacies of the weapon rather than having a laser bore sighted, perfectly centred sight picture that's just so boring (*yawn) to shoot, give me a Colt SAA with a 3" low, 7 o'clock POI at 10yds and I'll show you some good fun attempting to get a pellet in the bull, lol. The joy of accomplishment when shooting something like that is far greater than 'lasering' any target with a perfect target pistol, I suppose that's why I love shooting replicas over target air pistols, it's all about fun for me BUT I don't shoot competitively (as I mentioned earlier), so it's horses for courses really.
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Post by Wild Bill on Aug 3, 2021 8:40:22 GMT
Excellent write up.  |
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Post by twodoctors on Aug 3, 2021 9:12:34 GMT
I think I see your point Shaun. In the olden days I'm sure they have their own special way to sight in a firearm, so that at least the POA = POI. I'm just too competitive in nature I guess! 🤦🏻♂️
My mistake with P08. I forgot my sight adjustment was from a DIY fix similar to someone's (Shaun?) Webley. 🤣
I think you will like it though Shaun. Grab one when they come up for sale. Not seen many of these in the 9 months that I've been shooting airguns! Either because they are so good no one wants to move them on, or people have missed out on a real gem when it was widely available. I think it ticks all the boxes for you as well. 🤷🏻♂️
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Post by Modski66 on Aug 3, 2021 9:49:12 GMT
The Baikal MP 655k has fully adjustable sights; it is a replica 'style' pistol modelled after the 9mm Baikal Viking MP446.
It isn't a blowback, but is dual ammo. PBaz Barratt did a review on the AGF and raved about the build quality and accuracy with bb's.
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Post by twodoctors on Aug 3, 2021 10:17:44 GMT
The Baikal MP 655k has fully adjustable sights; it is a replica 'style' pistol modelled after the 9mm Baikal Viking MP446. It isn't a blowback, but is dual ammo. PBaz Barratt did a review on the AGF and raved about the build quality and accuracy with bb's. No blowback. Meh! 🤮 🤣 |
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Post by Modski66 on Aug 3, 2021 10:33:42 GMT
He was getting around 145 shots from one bulb, and the bb hopper held in the region of 125 rounds. Reloading? Meh...  |
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Post by HeadHunter on Aug 3, 2021 12:54:11 GMT
The Baikal MP 655k has fully adjustable sights; it is a replica 'style' pistol modelled after the 9mm Baikal Viking MP446. It isn't a blowback, but is dual ammo. PBaz Barratt did a review on the AGF and raved about the build quality and accuracy with bb's. I do remember that review that he did, if memory serves me correctly it's got an unusual magnetic reloading system for the steel BBs, unfortunately though it will not work with lead BBs, which is a shame.....But in truth he lost me at 'no blowback'. I personally thought that it would be a great gun for those fisherman plinkers, sitting on a river bank waiting for the fish to bite, idly plinking away at tin cans. No need to worry about reloading the thing until it's out of CO2, perfect for those people who just want something simple to shoot at the odd tin can. Innovative loading system though, I like people who can think outside of the box sometimes but the concept did remind me of those old 'Sekidan' guns we used to play with as kids (spring powered, hopper fed, plastic BB guns). I absolutely loved mine as a kid. |
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Post by twodoctors on Aug 3, 2021 17:32:54 GMT
Right. Let me get my excuse out of the way first. 1) I couldn't find my sandbag rest so I am shooting it 2-handed from 5m. 2) I have not shot properly for about 10 weeks now, due to work committment. 3) I have worked 27 out of 31 days in July. (not a typo) With that out of the way, let's see some targets.  This is supposed to be 10 shots, but not sure where no. 10 went. Anyway you can see some grouping in the centre, with lots of stray shots also. I wasn't focusing on the front sight as well as I should.  Shooting without the shoot'n'see to put "a bit less pressure on myself". 1 outside the black. No nice groups there. And finally 10 before the gas runs out.  And the gas was running out for the last few shots. So what can we say about the gun? Well, it is definitely tin-can accurate. I'll give it that. I need more practice, that is also obvious! Finally I think it is capable of more, given that tight-group in the first card. The barrel and shroud is very wobbly when the slide is back. With the slide forward there is still a bit of play on the barrel, which might explain the slightly loose group compared with most other pistols on the market. I haven't compared it with the Gold Custom for the barrel play. However the grouping would not be dissimilar to the Gold Custom which I think was rested with red dot. I'll have another go when I have located my sandbag.  Will also have a go at 15m when I can find the time (Will be working 6 days a week for the next 2 weeks also... 🤦🏻♂️ Still fairly happy with my purchase... |
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Post by HeadHunter on Aug 3, 2021 19:09:35 GMT
Not a too bad a set of targets there Adrian  Like you said it's at least tin can accurate at the moment, it can only get better as you get more used to the gun and it's balance and then get some spare time to get some more practise in.....you need to blow the cobwebs off your guns and get shooting again buddy, lol  |
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Post by twodoctors on Aug 3, 2021 20:49:01 GMT
Not a too bad a set of targets there Adrian Like you said it's at least tin can accurate at the moment, it can only get better as you get more used to the gun and it's balance and then get some spare time to get some more practise in.....you need to blow the cobwebs off your guns and get shooting again buddy, lol Someone's gotta do the work... 🥱 The shorter sight radius doesn't help either. But as I said I think it's capable of shooting a 50/50 on a good day, rested (the gun and me!). |
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Post by twodoctors on Aug 5, 2021 21:12:00 GMT
Probably the final post on this gun from me. Just to show that I haven't lost my touch (that much) after the 9+ weeks off shooting. Picked up my SW 686 (and other bits including my sandbag) from a club friend after a loan shot Scouts shooting. SW 686 6" iron 5m weaver 10 shots.  I have still got it (to a degree). I forgot to test it with Dust Devil, so here it is 5m rested 10 shots:  As expected, a wide group. So on to rested at 5m with the Limited Custom 10 shots:  Not amazing. Probably expected from a BB gun. Having said that i did pretty well when I shot 15m with the Gold Custom with Red Dot. And back to shooting Weaver 10 shots:  Not that different. I'm going to say it's my eyes, and shorter sight radius compared to the SW, and more practice. When I am more au fait with it I'll shoot the comp cards. If I manage a better card I'll post here. Conclusion then. Buy this gun. It's nice. Curb your expectation and it will serve you well. |
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Post by HeadHunter on Aug 6, 2021 10:45:50 GMT
Our very own ar77 did a video review of his a while back, worth watching if you're contemplating getting one of them. |
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Post by TalinMoracius on Aug 6, 2021 20:35:25 GMT
Some nice shooting and a lovely looking gun - what's the trigger like? I'm more of a speed shooter than an accurate one, which means I can miss really fast... My fastest gun so far is the 1911 (KWC) followed very very closely by my Rhino, but I'm always on the lookout for fast guns
Is there much slop in the trigger? How well does it break? The reason I ask is that it looks like a race gun I've seen
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Post by twodoctors on Aug 6, 2021 21:06:39 GMT
Some nice shooting and a lovely looking gun - what's the trigger like? I'm more of a speed shooter than an accurate one, which means I can miss really fast... My fastest gun so far is the 1911 (KWC) followed very very closely by my Rhino, but I'm always on the lookout for fast guns Is there much slop in the trigger? How well does it break? The reason I ask is that it looks like a race gun I've seen From my Gold Custom review (link in 1st post) Trigger. It's good, but not perfect. Between 2.75 to 3lb which is light enough for action shooting, but not too light that it makes it dangerous in less experienced hands (the trigger on my real Ruger 10/22 is 0.75lb and not everyone can "handle" it). The pull length can be shorter if I'm honest, especially for a race gun (again I'm not an IPSC style shooter), but not a major issue. The biggest problem I have with it is the reset. I had to release it completely before it resets. No, I can't shoot like Eric in the above video, but the long reset certainly doesn't help.
It's the same gun. Just different sights. I don't know how close the trigger is to a real CZ-75, but for me the pull is a bit long for very fast shooting. Either that or the reset is all the way back to neutral position. I think my 1911 in 22LR has a shorter pull and a lighter trigger (because I stoned it and modded the leaf spring!). |
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Will also have a go at 15m when I can find the time (Will be working 6 days a week for the next 2 weeks also... 🤦🏻♂️
