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Post by Rockabillybilly on Jul 15, 2021 8:44:51 GMT
I'm certain this must have been asked loads of times but....What is the difference between Umarex Colt SAA BB shells and Pellet shells please. I've noticed on my pellet version Colt the shells have a pellet icon on them and are silver. I found some shells in a drawer and they're brass and don't have a pellet icon. Outwardly they look identical in size and shape. Are the ones I've found Colt SAA BB shells do you think and, can I use either shells for pellets and bb's please. Many thankings.
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Post by CaptDAR on Jul 15, 2021 8:52:40 GMT
I took some micrometer readings of rifled and smooth barrels and their dedicated shells. Smoothbore barrel 4.82mm and brass shells average over six, 4.38mm Rifled barrel 4.60mm and silver shells average over 24, 4.77mm
Chrono test.
Using 6.9grn pellets with pellet shells average was 331 FPS. Using 6.9grn pellets with bb shells average was 293 FPS. Using Blasters with bb shells average was 553 FPS. Using Blasters with pellet shells average was 517 FPS.
So pellets work better with pellet shells and accuracy was the best and bbs work better with bb shells.
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Post by HeadHunter on Jul 15, 2021 9:56:07 GMT
To be honest, I use both types for pellets and I haven't noticed that much of a difference when testing with a chronograph between either of them (pellet or bb shells), irrespective of whether the gun had a rifled or a smoothbore barrel.
I have noticed slight differences in the 'batches' of cartridges being made though, some of them have a clear fake bullet to case line on them, others completely smooth, some have quite a thick base rim, others have a thinner base rim, the silver pellet cartridges are thicker (a larger diameter)than the brass bb cartridges and that may play an important part in reducing or even stopping gas blow past effect when the projectile leaves the cartridge and enters the throat of the barrel (the tightness of the cartridges fit into the cylinder should stop the CO2 from escaping back through the cylinder). So whether these differences extend to internal bore size differences too ? I really don't know.
There's so many factors involved that it's difficult to actually set a hard and fast rule, I prefer the overly straight forward 'suck them and see' principle, give them a go, ultimately you'll be able to tell for yourself if they have the same sort of accuracy.
The most accurate Colt SAA I've got is a smoothbore barrelled one that I use with pellets, plus I also use both types of cartridges in it !
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Post by twodoctors on Jul 15, 2021 11:10:40 GMT
I don't have any strong evidence for this, but...
Using other magazines as an example (SA-10 and polymer Colt), if I put BBs in a pellet magazine, it will fall through. That's because BBs are smaller in diameter than pellets.
Same applies to shells. I think the difference is in the grommet. BB ones will have a grommet with smaller aperture than pellets. BB ones are big enough to hold pellets, and pellet ones are small enough to hold BBs. I won't go down the debate of shooting BBs in rifled barrel (again) but you can shoot pellet on a smooth bore barrel, just like shooting slugs in a shotgun.
So essentially shell-loading BB guns are dual ammo!
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Post by HeadHunter on Jul 15, 2021 13:26:57 GMT
I don't have any strong evidence for this, but... Using other magazines as an example (SA-10 and polymer Colt), if I put BBs in a pellet magazine, it will fall through. That's because BBs are smaller in diameter than pellets. Same applies to shells. I think the difference is in the grommet. BB ones will have a grommet with smaller aperture than pellets. BB ones are big enough to hold pellets, and pellet ones are small enough to hold BBs. I won't go down the debate of shooting BBs in rifled barrel (again) but you can shoot pellet on a smooth bore barrel, just like shooting slugs in a shotgun. So essentially shell-loading BB guns are dual ammo! The grommets are identical in size irrespective of whether they are pellet or bb shells, they're totally interchangeable, if they was any difference you wouldn't be able to successfully hold a bb in a pellet shell's grommet. It maybe different with other guns but this is the case especially with the Colt SAA shells and the Remington 1875/Crosman Cowboy shells. A lot of other shell loading revolvers have rear loading pellet shells and front loading bb shells (Webley mkVI, DW715, etc), so the question doesn't really arise. The job of the cartridge is simply to get the projectile from the base of the cartridge (where the power valve outlet is) to the throat of the barrel (commonly referred to as the forcing cone or breech). It just gets the projectile up to speed before entering the barrel and engaging the rifling (if present). The accuracy of the projectile and any rifling are imparted by the barrel, the cartridge is just the 'launch pad' to start the whole process off. Without getting into a protracted and pointless debate, the obvious answer is to try them out and report back with YOUR findings, as I have previously stated, there's too many differences between the many batches of Colt SAA shells to make a definitive answer without another member finding fault with your opinion. (I want to point out that I don't disagree with the information that CaptDAR has stated, in fact I'm in total agreement with him, as it just points out the differences between certain batches of shells ! His seem to be one way and mine seem to be another, which shows the variety of differences available in cartridge shell sets).
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Post by Rockabillybilly on Jul 24, 2021 6:41:28 GMT
Thanks for the info and input folks. I recently bought a new Colt SAA Antiqued Peacemaker and only fired BB's in the brass shells that came with the pistol. Yesterday though I put the silver shells in from my Pellet firing Colt and fired BB's and noticed no difference. Then I put Pellets in the BB Colt (brass and silver shells) and, the cans that were once sniggering at me are sniggering no more!!! Sniggerless they are....void of any snigger. I can't believe how accurate it is...so much so, I'm thinking of selling my Nickle Colt SAA rifled barrel and buying a Nickle BB one. I'm not sure if my findings are/were anyone else's but, that's what's happened here at The Ranch. Trail and error and all that but, I'm most impressed and as I say, thanks again for the input and info.
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Post by HeadHunter on Jul 24, 2021 10:06:56 GMT
Thanks for the info and input folks. I recently bought a new Colt SAA Antiqued Peacemaker and only fired BB's in the brass shells that came with the pistol. Yesterday though I put the silver shells in from my Pellet firing Colt and fired BB's and noticed no difference. Then I put Pellets in the BB Colt (brass and silver shells) and, the cans that were once sniggering at me are sniggering no more!!! Sniggerless they are....void of any snigger. I can't believe how accurate it is...so much so, I'm thinking of selling my Nickle Colt SAA rifled barrel and buying a Nickle BB one. I'm not sure if my findings are/were anyone else's but, that's what's happened here at The Ranch. Trail and error and all that but, I'm most impressed and as I say, thanks again for the input and info. I know ! It's amazing how different they are. I'm glad that you have managed to find the 'sweet spot' with the Colt SAAs.
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Post by Wild Bill on Jul 24, 2021 13:34:29 GMT
I use pellets only in all my shell using firearms. I only use BB's in the semi auto pistols. I have never seen a difference using a pellet shell or a BB shell to be honest.
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Post by HeadHunter on Jul 24, 2021 14:59:52 GMT
I use pellets only in all my shell using firearms. I only use BB's in the semi auto pistols. I have never seen a difference using a pellet shell or a BB shell to be honest. I totally agree !
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